Posts by Sea Breeze

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Toasting

by hoser in

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when did the jws make the rule that you couldn’t clink glasses together and raise glasses of wine?.

and why the change to being a conscience matter now?.

Sea Breeze

Most Jehovah's Witnesses drink alcohol like fish anyway. Might as well let them say "cheers".

What will be next? Saying "bless you" after someone sneezes?

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2 Peter 1: 1 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: simeon peter, a servant and apostle of jesus christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our god and savior jesus christ: - 2 peter 1: 1. here's how watchtower prints this verse:.

simon peter, a slave and an apostle of jesus christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our god and the savior jesus christ: - nwt.

why did watchtower change this verse by adding the word "the" ?.

Sea Breeze

aq, quit cutting and pasting. Write concisely and to the point.

@vienne,

Do you realize how ignorant you look by constantly telling your opponents what they can and cannot do? Asking for a friend.

BTTT,

Here are some quotes from early church fathers that mention both God and Jesus Christ as Savior:

Ignatius of Antioch, who died around 98/117 AD, referred to Jesus Christ in several ways, including as "Jesus Christ our Lord," "Our God, Jesus Christ," "Jesus Christ, the God who made you so wise," and "Jesus Christ, our God".

Irenaeus of Lyons, living from approximately 115 to 190 AD, spoke of Jesus Christ as "the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation" and "Jesus Christ our Lord and God and Savior and King". He also stated that Jesus is uniquely "in his own right God and Lord".

Clement of Alexandria (c. 153 - 217 AD) described Jesus as "the Word... both God and man, and the source of all our good things". He also called Jesus "the Savior, the soother, the divine Word, he that is quite evidently true God".

Tertullian, active from around 160 to 215 AD, believed that "this one only God has also a Son, His Word," who was "born of [the Virgin]-being both Man and God, the Son of Man and the Son of God, and to have been called by the name of Jesus Christ".

These selections illustrate how early church leaders perceived Jesus Christ as both God and the key figure in salvation.

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"Playing Chess is evil, not for Witnesses" -Awake 1973

by Witness 007 in

awake 73 3/22 p.12 "....the spirit of competition between players can lead to unpleasant circumstances, as the new york times reported: most families manage to keep the conflicts that arise in games to the chess board.

but in some homes tensions linger long past checkmate.

chess has been a game of war since it was originated 1,400 years ago....the games connections with war are obvious...a play-substitute for the art of war.

Sea Breeze

There was also an article on mazes about this time. I was going to draw one for the school news paper. But, thank goodness mom found the appropriate view towards mazes in a WT publication. They are connected to ancient paganism and there was even a monster named a minotaur who lived it them who would temp people into entering.

Of course, once inside the maze they got lost and the minotaur would doubtless eat them in due time when he got hungry.

Are we not thankful for being saved from such evil? Where would we be without the organization?

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2 Peter 1: 1 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: simeon peter, a servant and apostle of jesus christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our god and savior jesus christ: - 2 peter 1: 1. here's how watchtower prints this verse:.

simon peter, a slave and an apostle of jesus christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our god and the savior jesus christ: - nwt.

why did watchtower change this verse by adding the word "the" ?.

Sea Breeze

Here's how this verse should read:

Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: - 2 Peter 1: 1

Here's how Watchtower prints this verse:

Simon Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and the Savior Jesus Christ: - NWT

Why did Watchtower change this verse by adding the word "the" ?

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John 20: 28 in the NWT Calls Jesus God

by Sea Breeze in

in answer thomas said to him: “my lord and my god!

- john 20: 28 nwt.

why don't jehovah's witnesses believe jesus is god when he is called that in their own bible?.

Sea Breeze

Remove the Trinity doctrine and we believe in the same Jesus.

@Halcon

Remove Jesus deity and you have a different Jesus.

To condemn a soul to hell over a doctrine

No one gets condemned over a doctrine.

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already - JN 3: 18

We all start out as "already" as condemned slaves to sin after the age of accountability. We therefore want to make sure we are entering to a legitimate agreement with Jesus. As long as we believe that he has has ALL authority in heaven and earth in order to make such an agreement, and if we ask him for it, and abandon ourselves to Him; I believe that the Holy Spirit as an internal witness will make any necessary corrections in fairly short order.

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John 20: 28 in the NWT Calls Jesus God

by Sea Breeze in

in answer thomas said to him: “my lord and my god!

- john 20: 28 nwt.

why don't jehovah's witnesses believe jesus is god when he is called that in their own bible?.

Sea Breeze

@Slim boy fat

that just sounds like more whining. Why don’t you find some examples of all this false information that you are claiming and present it?

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John 20: 28 in the NWT Calls Jesus God

by Sea Breeze in

in answer thomas said to him: “my lord and my god!

- john 20: 28 nwt.

why don't jehovah's witnesses believe jesus is god when he is called that in their own bible?.

Sea Breeze

So why should I waste my time on it? No thanks.

@SlimBoyFat

Well, for one thing it just makes you look ignorant and hypocritical to criticize AI when all search engines now employ it.

The bottom line is that every single objection you have put forth has been roundly shot down with mountains of evidence from multiple lines of reasoning and approaches.

I haven't seen you cry this hard since.... well never. Did it ever occur to you that your repeated failures to defend your view might be an indication of a wrong view?

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John 20: 28 in the NWT Calls Jesus God

by Sea Breeze in

in answer thomas said to him: “my lord and my god!

- john 20: 28 nwt.

why don't jehovah's witnesses believe jesus is god when he is called that in their own bible?.

Sea Breeze

I say, to be more precise, God the Father raised God the Son (a separate person).

@ Halcon:

But that is NOT what Jesus claimed in John 2:

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up....But he spake of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered...and they believed...the word which Jesus had said".

This is the single greatest feat that has EVER been predicted AND performed in the history of man. It is what caused Christianity to literally explode.

Imagine the buzz, "this guy said that he was going to raise himself from the dead, and I'll be a three-toed tree frog if he didn't do it! Go tell everyone"!

It was Jesus' prediction of self-resurrection and his post mortem appearances that forever changed the course of world history.

Admittedly, other scriptures say that God raised Jesus from the dead, and that the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. But, rather that diminish Jesus' claim to be God, it confirms it. All three Persons of the Godhead did it.

Although it may be central to theology, the doctrine is clearly not central to salvation.

I wouldn't get overly comfortable in that spot. We are saved because of a legal instrument called "the new covenant". For each person, Jesus trades places with the believer:

"he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. - 2 Cor. 5: 21

There are only two names on this document, the believer and Jesus. If you make a deal with the wrong Jesus, is it any more valid than if you sign loan documents for the wrong property?

These words should weigh heavy: " I never knew you".

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Acts 20: 28 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: .

take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the holy ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of god, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

- kjvhere's how it reads in the nwt: pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of god, which he purchased with the blood of his own son.. here is how it reads in the kjv with the greek keyed to strong's: take heedg4337 thereforeg3767 unto yourselves,g1438 andg2532 to allg3956 theg3588 flock,g4168 overg1722 the whichg3739 theg3588 holyg40 ghostg4151 hath madeg5087 youg5209 overseers,g1985 to feedg4165 theg3588 churchg1577 of god,g2316 whichg3739 he hath purchasedg4046 withg1223 his owng2398 blood.g129 .

Sea Breeze

before the mountains were established and before all the hills, he begets me.

@SlimBoyFat

I cannot find a Hebrew word that equates to "beget" in Prov. 8: 25. Even if there is one, What does the personification of wisdom have to do with anything?

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John 20: 28 in the NWT Calls Jesus God

by Sea Breeze in

in answer thomas said to him: “my lord and my god!

- john 20: 28 nwt.

why don't jehovah's witnesses believe jesus is god when he is called that in their own bible?.

Sea Breeze

SlimBoyFat: - More AI generated crap.

JW's - More Apostate Lies

Slim, I can't help but notice your evasiveness when considering evidence that you don't like. If you are unable or unwilling to address the points that others make, why attack the messenger?

This is likely due more to your frustration in lacking sound arguments as opposed to a real dislike for computer technology, which, as I have already point out is very hypocritical since you yourself use it all the time.

All the search engines are now AI driven, or haven't you noticed?